Jaywalking

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1 month ago (8:08 PM)
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Jimble71

I think it's a fabulous idea. Although I don't think that more crossings are needed.

Maria2016

I do not think it is a good idea. How are you going to implement this law? Having policemen in every corner? It is ilegal to use mobile phones while driving, however, you see drivers on phones all the time and nobody does anything about it. It is more education and awareness that it is necessary.

ADPerkin

I agree totally about mobiles and driving - have seen people stopped but penalties not severe enough. Another American concept of three strikes and you are out should apply.

Interestingly in Austria, it just works, maybe they are just better behaved - maybe due to having national service. I found it incredible that even after midnight people still stood and waited at crossings... And they did have policemen on the streets, unlike the UK where they are rapidly becoming a scarce commodity. Using the instant fines (and one of my family had to pay one for crossing illegally) and the income from those might pay for more foot patrols.

Education and awareness are good but I know I shouldn't cross the road anywhere other than crossings but frequently still do it - I take a risk each time and the consequences of making a mistake are life threatening.

Mobile phones may make this more important. Unfortunately there's a growing number of phone zombies who shamble around the pavements, glued to their devices, totally unaware of life around them who cross without looking, or listening. Maybe I should just let natural selection weed them out many are young people and I feel some enforcement, far better education and an occasional rollicking from police on the streets may just save a few parents some heartache.

l.paulauskas

There are many countries where this is enforced. It is enough if police would penalise few people and after a year or 2 people will get used to it.

I think that such behaviour should be penalised where it causes danger e.g. if cars have to slow down, stop, use horn or swerve - it means that person crossed the road dangerously.

I don't think there is the problem is people crosses empty road without causing anyone to change the course of direction or slow down.

I woudl say as well that - crossing are already excessive, yet people still dangerously runs over the road (sometimes crossing is just 15 meters away)..

Jon889

Absolutely not. I've just visited Berlin, and being forced to wait for the light to go green to cross, is a huge waste of time. Also in countries like the US, the roads are much wider.

Jo McKillop

It seems sensible in moderation, but it's the kind of thing which needs to be handled properly. None of this waiting for the green man at gone midnight on a Sunday malarkey.

If you going onto the road outside of a crossing in any circumstance other than an emergency causes a driver to have to brake or swerve then you're making use of the highway without due care and attention and should be penalised.

If the driver turns a corner without stopping and has to maneuver, if the pedestrian had right of way (it happens), or if in any circumstance there is no maneuver, then there should be no liability on the pedestrian's part.

NCircularSoot

London is too dense with pedestrians and the streets too narrow for this to be helpful. A huge chunk of London has a 20mph speed limit as it is. If we only let people cross the road every few minutes, where would everyone collect while waiting to cross? We'd have jammed pavements, particularly when so many crossings are on corners or next to bus stops.

Letting people carefully cross through empty roads, non-moving, or very slow moving traffic allows the balance of road use to be kept as a space for all transport. If we make Jaywalking a crime, then drivers may feel empowered to be less careful.

Certainly, crossing the road while using a phone should be considered as irresponsible as driving on a road while using a phone, and police should be able to issue warnings / on the spot fines in the worst cases, but I would not criminalise it.

The biggest risk in this case are motorcyclists who drive up the inside or outside of queuing traffic.

bealer

+1, also on the major junctions, like at Moorgate for example, the crossing wait time is very long. Traffic seems to take priority. Given the fast paced life of London, people get impatient and cross when they see an opportunity.

If you really want to fix the problem make it easier and more frequent to cross the roads. But in doing so you'll just annoy the motorists.

Jaywalking does sound like another nanny state proposal.

Tams

Back in the sixties, Harringeiy Council introduced a bylaw to stop Jaywalking. It was only done on the Green Lanes, I am not too sure now whether it started at Wood Green, or Turnpike Lane, but it ran through to Manor House Station. It was easily controlled, as Barriers were put in place at the busy pedestrian sections, and you were only allowed to cross the road at the proper designated crossings. It would be nice to see something like this introduced in busy roads, more so in Central London, as sometimes it can be a nightmare driving in Central London, as not only do you have to watch out for other road users, you also have to watch out for those who are too busy on their phones, and just walk straight out in front of you without looking.

asdf

This would be a horribly retrograde step. Why should pedestrians, who pose very little harm to other road users, be criminalised for anything? It would just promote motor vehicle dominance to everyone's detriment.

pukpuk

Great idea. In UK people are walking on street wherever and whenever they wish. Not only crossing in strait line, they just walk on the middle of the road. I try not to stop and see how surprised they are. They also do this with kids teaching them to do the same.
Once I was on pelican crossing with kids, stopping at red light and the driver was showing me to cross, she even opened a window and said I can cross. She was shocked when I said, I'll wait until green man walking. I know I could cross safely but I want to teach my kids how to do it properly. By crossing on red light they get wrong message.

hatler

No. Streets are for everyone. Restricting pedestrians to crossing only at set locations and intervals would lead to drivers/cyclists/riders believing that they have the right to drive/pedal/ride with a greatly reduced level of awareness / increased level of entitlement.

Introducing 20mph limits more widely would do far more towards reducing pedestrian casualties and smoothing traffic flow.

tfluke

This would require huge investment in infrastructure and enforcement for very little gain. It'd also put people off walking and encourage driving, making congestion even worse.

Davidbussell

Although in theory having everyone cross across a crossing is a good idea, in my opinion. There are more urgent matters to be addressed. Before making pedestrian walk in the same direction, cross only where they are told and then handing out fines for noncompliance, pavements need to be kept for pedestrians. For too often pedestrians are being forced to move out of the way, stop or jump back quickly because pushbike a are heading towards them.
I am a pedestrian I walk to work most days, I will take public transport but only as a last resort. I am forever having to dodge cyclist daily yet there appears to be nothing being said about this. If the Highway Code is read and understood all road users would have more understanding about the next.
I heard recently that cyclist are campaigning to have motorist giveway to cyclists when turning left. My question is why are the cyclists overtaking on the left, it is illegal. I have stopped going to Kingston because of the amount of time I have had to dodge cyclist who are at full pelt riding in the pedestrianised zone.
I do appreciate that every user of the public highways needs to be kept safe but please prioritise where to 'fix' the problem.

bealer

FYI cyclists cycle on the left out of courtesy to motorists.

If they didn't and cycled in the middle of the lane, then motorists would become impatient and infuriated getting stuck behind them.

If they cycle on the right, then they're cycling either in the middle part of the road, which is often the faster part (for overtaking). Which again would infuriate motorists no doubt and put the cyclist in more danger.

I'm not sure where else they are supposed to cycle. Asking for a courtesy that motorists left them pass before turning left is what most would call a compromise.

In terms of dodging cyclists as a pedestrian and around Kingston, if they on the pavement, then yes that is wrong of them. At the same time, maybe there's a reason they are taking to the pedestrianised areas. The roads around Kingston are quite intimidating, maybe they don't feel safe using them?

Terry Vaughan

"cyclist are campaigning to have motorist giveway to cyclists when turning left"

David, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. Have you got a link to details of this campaign? You're not suggesting that motorists shouldn't have to give way to other traffic when turning, that it's OK for them just to turn, whatever is in their way? Do you want bike riders not to pass on the left? That's perfectly legal. You may not realise it, but one of the commonest cycling accidents happens when a driver overtakes a bike then immediately turns.

Terry Vaughan

David, the campaign is for drivers to give way to pedestrians. You're against that?

JHW

I really find it rather astonishing that anyone could even contemplate this. I am in no doubt that the current position of pedestrian priority is correct. This country is dominated by vehicles, particularly motor vehicles to the inconvenience and indeed danger of those who do not drive either through choice or otherwise. There are thousands of miles of motorways from which pedestrians are completely excluded and and as if this isn't enough you suggest that even more restrictions are placed on the pedestrian.

PS I am a car driver, public transport user (buses and trains) and a cyclist.

bealer

Yes, yes and yes!

To propose more rigid rules and extend our nanny state is backwards thinking. Especially in a city like London which has such a variation in road size and traffic flow, let a lone a large working population.

Here's a far simpler suggestion...how about we learn to all share the space. It's common sense when to and when not to cross. For the vast majority of people they'll use common sense. When large numbers of people aren't, then look at the area and question why. Do the crossing lights take too long to activate, are the pavements overflowing with people... etc

Places around Old Street have been experimenting with shared road spaces. There is no pavement. Everyone has to share the space. There are even trees and food stalls in the space. It works very well. While it won't work at all junctions it's an example that rather than having a knee jerk reaction and imposing rules, you can re-design a space and make it work better for everyone.

Also historically the roads have always been shared. Cars are the most recent users of the roads. Pedestrians, horses and cycles have been using them in harmony for centuries without the concept of jay walking.

k.aldo

No. Difficult to police with resources that need to be directed at more dangerous road users and believe me as a cyclist (as well as a van and car driver) it does affect me directly
David. Firstly it is not illegal to pass on the left. Check the Highway Code. Have you not noticed that most unsegregated cycle lanes are in the gutter and finish with an ASL?
I happen to be a Kingston resident. You do realise the Market Place and Castle Street are examples of shared use spaces? I cycle them frequently and have never seen any riders at "full pelt". Cyclists dislike them as much as pedestrians and that's why the biggest criticism of the mini holland proposals will be incorporation of them in the schemes, and why we need proper segregated routes
Yes, there is a push by British Cycling and backed by Chris Boardman and Mervin King to give way when turning left. Not a new campaign to bash the motorist but an effort to get all road users to share the roads safely. It's also in the Highway Code

COSMA

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What are a must in all our London roads are plenty of PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLANDS.

julesandlola

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you mean public toilets? I totally agree. free at the point of use too!

Mikers117

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Jaywalkers should be penalised if their actions result in an accident (either to a person, or vehicle damage)..

julesandlola

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any road walker user using a mobile or music device should have the same level of legal protection as a drunk driver, ie, none. always to blame for any incident encountered.
But should jaywalking be made illegal.. obviously not. Can you imagine central London? Are you having a laugh??

Jordi.calpe

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Absolutely not.