The Mayor and policing

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5 days ago (5:25 AM)
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kscterry

It has only been a few months and I don't think London could have had a mayor more anti police. I am horrified the use of spit guards isn't allowed to protect our officers from often dangerous people with serious infectious diseases that can easily kill a police officer just doing his/her normal duties. How do we expect the police to do a proper job for us when we can't provide them with very small levels of protection on the job? I commend the sparse police presence for their bravery and think the mayor should be ashamed of himself by going out of the way to protect criminals instead of those who protect us.

tanyad

I agree, I feel sorry for the police. They are massively under-resourced/over-stretched, they have unreasonable targets to meet, they don't get any support from the CPS because the criminals they do bring to justice are either not prosecuted or let off lightly which must be so dispiriting.

isabel2475

Absolutely. The Mayor prefers to give benefits and second changes to criminals than to police officers, to us workers and tax payers

jpalmerzt

I believe that MOPAC should play a vital role in monitoring the police services in London when they are recruiting applicants. The way that a recruitment service should be governed and still accountable under MOPAC authority as they are realistically in charge of most other areas such as policies.

Recruitment is not a day to day policing operation and therefore does not remain the commissioners responsibility and this clearly indicates that MOPAC should be Overseeing how recruitment operations are governed and take a key role in the process that takes place.

Jumaf

I am very concerned about the increase in the number of Transport Police who carry large machine guns around stations and now I hear it is planned they will be on the Tube.
Far from being re-assured by the presence of armed police, I am intimidated, and I believe arms create an atmosphere of violence and anger, whereas we need calm.
They do nothing to prevent terrorism, as they cannot be everywhere. Placing armed police around London is to be seen to be 'doing something', even though it is totally ineffective.
It costs, too.

kscterry

I respectfully disagree
I find it slightly reassuring that a decent police presence is around with suitable tools to deal with a terrorist attack.

johncruddas

Sorry i disagree with you terrorists have access to ALL weapons and police must be equipped to deal with this scum ,i personally am reassured and happy to see these weapons ,they are highly trained,its a bad world now and we need to be able to protect ourselves ,if it was legal id carry a gun

Shauny

Very wishy washy Mopac aims from the mayor, could mean anything or nothing.
Support the police and let's increase stop and search to protect young lives,it's young black men most likely to die from knife crime so we need to accept that they are more likely to be subjects and beneficiaries of stop and search.

AJMSmith

The same group is also perceived to be likely to carry out the attacks and that is why stop and search should continue.

tanyad

We need a lot more police! Its ridiculous that you can find hundreds of millions for road projects and Garden bridges but you cannot find money to keep our persons and property safe! Shameful

Adekiely13

I agree!!
We need more police officers.
Less paperwork for them
They need to be on the street engaging with people so get them out of the cars and cafes!
Get rid of the plastic policemen and employ professionals.
The bad guys have guns and I feel safer when the police do as well.

johncruddas

This mayor is the greatest enemy of policing london,not only have numbers been cut drastically he now wants them investigated every time they make an arrest ,their morale is at an all time low thanks to sadiq khan

RogerLondon

It is clear from the comments below that I am not alone in being concerned about the new Mayor's attitude to the prevention of crime and his apparent 'anti police' demeanour. The issues of spit hoods and overt carrying of firearms in order to tackle terrorism are good examples where he has shown his detachment from reality in my humble view. He is one of a number of key individuals who have responsibility for the residents of London and will be accountable following any terrorist attack in the future which we hope will not occur but in reality is highly possible. His role is not to pander to single agenda groups who shout loudest but to step up to the challenge of playing his part in keeping London safe.

johncruddas

I have been told off for calling the mayor an idiot ,i apologise for that but it doesnt change how i feel about his efforts with our police in london ,massively undermanned ,massively let down by the cps and judiciary ,criminals should be punished properly properly ,what happens now is a travesty and an insult to victims ,we need zero tolerance of crimes and criminals will know they had better not re offend ,lily livered pc punishment not good enough ,victims first

danielcives

I agree with the major's priorities against crime but I am sourprised that fight against drugs trade was not mentioned there. In my opinion illegal drugs trade and crime are closely related and London is a place where this issue is growing up.

AmyA

I was assaulted and called 999; still waiting 4.5 hours later for the police, when I was told they would arrive within 1 hour because my assault had been given 'early response priority'. Ironic to receive the Mayor's email invitation to "help me tackle crime in London" while stuck shattered, waiting up at 23:30pm for the police who are a no-show... Of course no-one has bothered to call me back to apologise or explain the delay, or say I can go to bed either, and I don't know who to call to ask (I don't think I can dial 999 again). So I was given a reference number for my case, but no telephone number or named person to give that reference to. Very confused, tired and upset.

tanyad

Yep, exactly the same happened to me. 3 days later I got a letter to say that no further action would be taken due to lack of evidence. And I was like "hang on, what evidence???? you haven't even spoken to me!" Take it up with the IPCC. I don't blame the police though, they are massively under-resourced. We can find millions for cycle lanes and garden bridges but none to keep ourselves and our properties safe! Its simply outrageous how our money is being spent/wasted

AmyA

Things went from bad to worse for me too... I waited up for the police until 2am, when I finally phoned 101 and explained I'd been waiting 7 hours and needed to go to bed as I had to be up at 6am. A very grumpy man gave no apology but said they'd get someone to me within 10-15 minutes.
An hour later at 3am when they still hadn't arrived, I called again and was told they'd been diverted to an emergency, but no-one had bothered to text/call to inform me. They said they would try to get someone else to me soon but I said I needed to go to bed as I'd only get 3 hours' sleep now (and I also didn't trust that they wouldn't stand me up a third time).
They said if I couldn't meet them that night then I would need to book an appointment for them to take my statement... why on earth didn't they just offer that in the first place, 8 hours earlier?! I had no idea you could even do that, I thought the statement had to be taken in the immediate aftermath of the assault, to preserve evidence etc...

tanyad

Yep, same as me, sat around for hours until I finally called back and they said I could go to the police station the next day. Much more useful to know that up front. I just don't want to bash the police though; they are struggling with relentless budget cuts and endless politics and fear of reprisals from the politically-correct brigade. I firmly place the blame on the shoulders of the Mayor and those above him.

tanyad

Sadly, London has become more dangerous (although its still a relatively safe city) in the last 10 years. My first 11 years I experience no crime and in the last 10, I have had to call the police 7 times! Twice was to report crimes I was witnessing, 4 were happening to me. And if police want to catch thieves, go onto Facebook, they are openly selling stolen goods on there with no fear of punishment whatsoever.

tanyad

Well I think we can all agree after last night's Mayor's question time, that Mr Khan is more about photo opportunities and pandering than he is about real change. I have gone from really liking him to thinking he is just another ineffectual glory hunter. When asked about the exponential increase in motorbike thefts in London, he dismissed it as being the fault of bikers who don't secure their bikes; isn't that like blaming women who get raped for wearing short dresses??? I had 3 motorbikes stolen in 5 years, all of them had security on them. My last one had an immobiliser, alarm, alarmed front disk lock, datatagging and was parked under a CCTV camera. Apart from nailing them down, there is nothing we can do. Even trackers are working against us because we have found out that is how thieves have been able to find our bikes and work out the best time to steal them because they have been hiding trackers on our bikes. There are very seldom properly secure places where we can anchor our bikes down. They have spent hundreds of millions for cyclists but wont spare any money to putting ground anchors around London because as far as he is concerned, we can just claim it back on our insurance. Erm, insurance premiums and excesses don't come for free!

We really need a much stronger personality as Mayor; someone not afraid to crack the whip and bash some heads together.

Chiswickian

Most people agree that we need more police visible on the streets & public transport. However, simply hiring lots more police could be cost prohibitive.
Across London we now have a plethora of traffic wardens. These people are solely there to post fines & generate income for the local councils. They are unable to help locals, can't communicate positively & are ultimately detrimental to the fabric of local society. So, we don't we replace all the traffic wardens with Police & PCSO's, who can both police & post parking infringements. This would have a massively positive effect on visible street policing & the local community fabric without incuring the cost of extra heads.

johncruddas

I think this mayor is not fit for purpose ,if he could do away with police altogether,he would ,then he could blame the victims for the crime ,ask any serving officer whst they think of sadiq khans GeForce ,but stand well back for the reply ,crime is much higher in london than the figures suggest ,nobody reports crimes ,whats the point nothing happens ,i dont think police should be the mayors responsibility it should be the govts job to protect its citizens

Marawan

Criminals should be penalised by losing more rights such as the loss of use of public transport, public housing, acess to shops, Income Welfare, Live events, ownership and soical outlings e.g cinema, puns, clubs.

tanyad

Then how do they reform??? If someone commits a crime, does their time in jail, and then repents and wants to turn their life around, if you make it too difficult for them to integrate back to normal society, you will leave them no choice but to go back to a life of crime. There are lots of youngsters that might land up with the wrong crowd and get into trouble but that does not mean they should be punished in perpetuity. Anyone with a criminal record already will find it hard to get a job, insurance, credit; and that is often a contributing factor for them going back to crime. If you want people to stop committing crime, once they have done their time in jail, then enabling them to reintegrate is better for society as a whole. I would like to see a 3 strikes and you are out principle though; I think 2 chances is enough and if a person still commits a crime, then I agree that sanctions like you are proposing would be fine.

jpalmerzt

I agree with Tanyad in term of people not being precluded from society because of mistake they have made which meant they obtained a criminal conviction. People such as myself that have come to police attention at a young age for deserve a second chance when they become lawabiding citizens and want to make a difference in our community. Unfortunately I came to police notice aged 14 with lack of life experience and knoweldge i obtrained a conviction. I joined the volunteer police cadets after this and was recognised for Professionalism, Leadership and dedication while representing the MPS on a joint course with the British Army to divert young offenders away from crime, anti social behaviour which led to these young people turn thier lives around and become better people and for this I was given a Commendation by the Borough Commander. During theach 4 years I was with the cadets I recieved other awards for outstanding commitment. Since leaving the collage I have show a significant concern in the welfare of others and always wanted to make a diffrence in my community. I have always had a desire to join the police service and even with high profile support and references they have precluded me in becoming a police officer. I understand the need to be careful when recruiting officer with previous history offences however I feel that if they have gone to extreme effort then they should be able to go on to make a diffrence whatever the role they wish to do

tanyad

Well this would be amusing if it wasn't reality: yesterday we held a mass motorbike protest against the exponential increase of motorbike thefts in the city which has now escalated to hijackings, and the police were constantly stopping us to ask what we protesting and we explained, and the response we got: "Oh, we know but we don't want to get involved because we have families and don't want to put ourselves in danger" Seriously??? This from the police! Arent they supposed to be protecting us? I think the Mayor needs to focus on hiring police that have some balls. One biker has already been killed during a hijacking, didn't even make the front page, so how many have to die before the Police do something. But I bet if we took the law into our own hands to protect ourselves, the police would be all over us!!!! This is like being back in Johannesburg. This great city is really going to the dogs :-(

97hjamesr

Police are mainly *Not* allowed to pursue bikes - if there is an accident if one disobeys this policy the Officer faces the wrath of the IPCC, prosecution and a gross misconduct hearing which may lead to them losing their jobs. If you dont like this then lobby you MP to change legislation to protect Police Officers during pursuits as currently there isnt any

tanyad

We don't like it hence the reason we started this petition and we handed a petition into downing street https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/160404 so thank you for your patronising response.
But they are allowed to pursue as long as they get permission beforehand and the thieves are wearing helmets. In the hijacking instances we have seen, the thieves have been wearing helmets. We do think it is outrageous that the police constantly have their hands tied but a Policeman making a comment that they will protect themselves first kind of defeats the object of their existence; that was the point I was trying to make

Shauny

I don't think the police mind putting themselves in danger, what they do mind is carrying out a pursuit but then having to wait years and years for court appearances and IPCC investigation if the person who fails to stop hurt them self. Change the law to support police pursuits or get ipcc to act reasonably if you want police to be able to do their job properly.

AlisonPrice

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I can't believe the police won't give chase unless the criminals are wearing helmets! It sounds mad! If someone is dumb enough to get on a bike without a helmet and then ride dangerously to evade police, surely they only have themselves to blame for an accident? If they want to stay safe, they should stop for the police in the first place! These are criminals we are talking about - they are a danger to the rest of us! I think the police should have stronger powers in this area. Otherwise it's health and safety gone mad!

97hjamesr

Mayor cant have it all his own way - if you want visible neighbourhood policing it means stripping the already depleted response teams (who answer your 999 calls) this means that Londoners will suffer from lack of Officers to deal with emergency calls - neighbourhood officers typically do not work night shifts. The Mayor has to accept you have to pay for better Policing amd that ultimately means a radical uplift in Police Officer numbers.

Marawan

No after a criminal has been charged their rights should be remived until their sentence is spent.

Talk London

Hi all,

Thanks for your comments here.

Some of you have argued that crime in London has particular challenges that mean that decisions and powers should be devolved from national government to the Mayor. Currently the Mayor is responsible for setting priorities for tackling crime and holding the Met Police and other agencies to account.

What do you think? Would you like to see the Mayor being given more control over criminal justice in London, or not?

Talk London Team

jpalmerzt

I have had issues with the Metropolitan Police which I directed to MOPAC and they didn't want to get involved so how can they say they hold the Met Police to account when nothing gets done.

The Mayor should have an active involvement in all areas of policing not just certain areas. The commissioner is responsible for the day to day operational policing and the rest should be responsible under MOPAC supervision. I believe the Mayor should have more control over the justice system and particularly where people want to put the past incidents behind them. Yes I certainly agree once you commit a crime you are held accountable in a fair trail or proceeding however once the term has been spent this should not effect the person if they wish to make a difference from there ways.

Why is it that people who have been convicted as a juvenile for minor offences are struggling to get jobs they want to peruse. I believe if a person want to make a difference and become a law-abiding citizen they should not be precluded from their desired profession.

I recently wrote to the Mayor on a personal matter which has precluded me from the profession I wish to make a difference in and he didn't even reply he passed it to someone else who clearly didn't bother to look at the letter.

RogerLondon

I don't see a desire on this forum to give the Mayor more powers. Perhaps he should get up to speed with his current responsibilities and then he might be in position to put a case forward.

Shauny

No more power over CRim justice for the mayor please, he doesn't seem sends blue enough to use them correctly or in line with what people want; remember he was head of liberty and still keeps trying to do their work in undermining the police. He should let the commissioner manage the police and search interfere less. Mr mayor, stop getting in the way of stop and search and allow police to protect themselves by using spithoods, you're just protecting the criminals and making excuses for them by arguing against these necessary tools. What else will stop knife crime if police aren't allowed to stop people carrying knives,? Your soft sentencing and blame transference tendencies won't do it.

Jean Averibou

So long as our criminal justice system is linked to profit making bodies, it is hard to dish out effective justice and corrections for the benefit of public protection and the reduction of offending and reoffending.

General Genius

Please explain what you mean by profit making bodies. Is this about private contracts and outsourcing to companies?

General Genius

The negative psychological effect of having more armed officers visible needs to be considered. If someone has psychosis it could trigger paranoia and erratic, serious reactions. For the rest of us just the reminder that there is some perceived need to have them brings a sense of unease and worry. Guns and de-escalation do not go together. They are not conducive to a calm environment.

Talk London

Thanks all for your views posted above. These will all be analysed along with all responses to our policing and crime survey, which closed yesterday. We’ll leave this thread open for further discussion, however. 

We’ve added a new post to our blog with a thank you message from the Deputy Mayor for Policing and Crime. This also sets out what happens next in creation of the Mayor’s Police and Crime Plan.

Thanks again!

Talk London Team

AlisonPrice

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I think we need to bring back uniformed officers on the bus when the schools get out. The secondary school pupils are a danger to themselves and everyone else on the upper deck. They run about, climb over the seats, throw things about, scream and shout, leave litter everywhere, etc., etc.