Cycling on the Pavements .......?

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1 day ago (11:59 AM)
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Terry Vaughan

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Cosma, I've never seen an incident like that. But I have seen a van driver enter a roundabout while on the phone. I shouted, but it made no difference. If I hadn't braked hard the van would have run into me. Off he went, without so much as a wave. I've also seen pedestrians step off the kerb without looking where they are going, which is apparently the usual cause of bike/pedestrian collisions.

The roads aren't safe. That is one reason why a lot of people cycle on the pavement. The reasons you suggest seem much less likely to me. If we had proper cycle tracks it would go a long way towards protecting pedestrians as well as bike riders.

The suggestions in your final paragraph have been raised and answered here time and time again. They would achieve very little but would deter people from cycling. The city needs more people cycling, not fewer.

COSMA

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I like to believe that most people are decent mindful citizens but what of the minority.

Like many I have seen many pedestrians with their eyes glued to their mobile phone instead of looking where they are going and expecting people like me to move out of their way. How anybody can walk and at the sometime be able to observe and read their texts and other such context on their mobile phone is something that is beyond me.

However, I do not want to learn in the future that there is a rise in people being hurt by the wheel of a cyclist.

Cycling is a recent travelling fashion and have already experience a few other scary cycling incidents. An almost similar incident to the one I previously mentioned, was sometime last year as I was waiting at the bus stop with other people. The bus arrived opening its doors, the lady in front of me of a mature age when forward to ascend the bus when out of the blue a cyclist on the road decided to cycle between the bus and pavement, subsequently almost crashing into the woman, the cyclist who must of been in her 20s fell to one side in trying to avoid colliding into the woman. We clearly notice that the cyclist had her mobile phone in her one hand, anyway, without a glace or even to utter the words sorry she just got on her bike and continued to cycle with her mobile phone in her hand again. The mature lady was clearly shaken. Hand on Heart I am telling you the truth.

It is these dangerous observations that made me sugguest that a Health and Safety Cycling examination and test should be introduced and the registration of all Bicycles. It would simply make cyclist much more mindful and responsible and would protect pedestrians and cyclist alike from inconsiderate cyclist who could potentially cause harm and give other cyclist a bad name, This is vital as Cycle routes lanes will undoubtedly make cycling much more popular and will soon become the predominate way people choose to travel around London for certain journeys. Teaching people to become good cyclist is something very important.

On reflection, car drivers have to take a driving test and registered their cars and this has not deterred people from buying cars and using their cars for even the shortest journeys without a care for the environment.

Terry Vaughan

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Cosma, it's in the interests of pedestrians, bike riders, tax payers and the environment for people to reduce their reliance on cars, and to a lesser extent public transport. Cars and buses are convenient, so it's not easy to get people to change.

There are already major obstacles in the way of people cycling. So the last thing we need is to introduce more. Particularly when making them jump through your hoops before they get on a bike will achieve little improvement in public safety.

The pedestrians in your anecdotes were scared, but not hurt. Thousands of pedestrians are seriously injured and killed by drivers. The sensible way forward is to make it possible for more people to cycle in safety, separate from pedestrians and motor traffic, while working to improve driving standards. That's where the real problem lies.

Frederick Harrad

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I agree that cyclists must be properly controlled. Twice during the past month I and my friend have nearly been knocked down by cyclists jumping red traffic lights. A car driver would be issued with a fixed penalty fine and cyclists must be treated in the same manner. In order to trace the offenders, bicycles should have a registration number. Third party insurance should, also, be obligatory

Terry Vaughan

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Frederick, bike riders do get fined for light jumping. So do drivers, their number plates don't stop them offending all the time.

Why do you want bike riders to be registered but not pedestrians? They apparently cause most of the collisions with bikes that they are involved in. How are they to be identified if they don't carry number plates on their backs?

COSMA

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Terry Vaughan, I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree on Health and Safety rules when it comes to cyclist.

I appreciate that any Health and Safety Test/Examination and Registration would involve a cost. People have to pay to travel on most journeys anyway.

It seems that maybe you just want to antagonise with people like me who care about the overall concerns for the public's safety.

Anyway,for whatever reason cyclist do not want to use the roads or cycle lanes preferring the pavements they should first get off their bikes and be pedestrians, which is the sole use for pavements.

Terry Vaughan

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Cosma, if you are really concerned about public health and safety you should be calling for safe cycling facilities. That would help improve pedestrian safety. Your proposed restrictions on cycling would have little or no beneficial effect.

You are wrong about pavements being for the sole use of pedestrians. They ought to be, but in many places they are shared use. And of course pavements are now used for car parking, often with official approval.

When you see people cycling on the pavement, blame the council and TfL for not providing proper cycle tracks. Most are just people trying to get from A to B in safety.

COSMA

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Terry, your comments that most people are trying to get from A to B in safety is very interesting. Far better if people in general were thoughtful and considered towards other people's safety, its the well being of others that makes us all good cyclist/ drivers and of course good pedestrians. I happen to be all three.

Wheels on any vehicles are potentially dangerous to all. Just because cyclist are currently allowed to use the pavements it does not mean they should take it upon themselves to do so, common sense should prevail and they should get off their bike if they want to use the pavements, they are not only a danger to adult pedestrians but a young child could run into a cyclist using the pavement.

In addition, to add to my health and safety tests/ rules suggestions to be introduced for all vehicle/cyclist, I now believe that given certain one sided comments on cycling and the huge amount of thoughtless, hazardous drivers/cyclist on London's road alone, there should be an introduction of an Intelligence and Emotional Test before people are even allowed to use any kind of vehicle.

For those that do not pass the suggested tests or are put off by any tests and bike registrations, then there is always public transport. In fact many people could combine their journeys with walking (if they went to bed early and woke early enough) and public transport. This will certainly keep London to a health public travelling medium.

A good percentage of the various Tests/Registration should go towards repairing and upgrading the cycle lanes as required in the future.

As for safe cycling facilities, I live in a borough that is currently in the process of introducing Cycle Lanes which I fully support, and we have a few cycling facilities already. However I want to see Shared Paths abolished.

Terry Vaughan

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Cosma, I agree that shared paths are far from ideal. They are only satisfactory when traffic is light. And even then, a re-designated pavement is a very poor substitute for a properly designed track. I'd like pavements reserved for pedestrians in places where there is a proper cycle track. And pavement parking should be stopped too.

But until that day comes, you need to get used to pavement cycling. Because there are many people who will never cycle on roads with significant levels of motor traffic. Children, for example, must either break the law or risk the traffic, and their parents won't allow that. My grandson is two. Are you going to make him ride his trike in the carriageway?

It's always interesting to see pedestrians walking on the cycle side of a shared path. Most people seem unafraid of bikes. You won't often see them walking in the carriageway though, they know that's where the danger is.

You make a good point about a 'fit and proper person' test for drivers. Quite a lot are temperamentally unsuited to driving. But I wouldn't extend that to people walking or cycling.

COSMA

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Well, hopeful its is on the clear horizon to stop cyclist from using the pavements after all that has been done and said.