Council Tax

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5 months ago (6:44 PM)
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AntonV

I propose that politicians are paid the minimum rate as determined for other workers. If they think its adequate for others to survive on, why should they be paid more? You will see the dust clouds as they are speeding up legislation to improve the "minimum wage" employers can hide behind. This is exactly what my other post is about (outsourcing British jobs to abroad to avoid paying decent wages)

johncruddas

Exactly why should mps get paid enormous amounts for doing a job anybody could do

tallsam

Anybody? I couldn't do it and even if I could I'd want to be paid more than MPs get. Its a massively stressful job with incredibly long hours. They could get paid much more and work less working in private industry.

AntonV

propose that politicians are paid the minimum rate as determined for other workers. If they think its adequate for others to survive on, why should they be paid more? You will see the dust clouds as they are speeding up legislation to improve the "minimum wage" employers can hide behind. This is exactly what my other post is about (outsourcing British jobs to abroad to avoid paying decent wages)

Talk London

Hi Saberina and Anton,

In 2012, as part of his election manifesto, the Mayor promised to cut his share of Londoners council tax by at least ten percent over his time as Mayor from 2012 to 2016. So far he is on course to meet this. However with the cost of living being so high in London some say that this reduction will not make much difference to people’s lives.

You are certainly not alone in having little money left after paying tax, rent and bills. Londoners face far higher living costs than people living in other regions, especially for housing and childcare. To try to help Londoners in your situation the Mayor is encouraging employers in London to pay staff at least the London Living Wage (I think this is what you're referring to, Anton). The London living Wage is currently £8.80 per hour but last week it was set at £9.15 per hour for the coming year. This hourly rate is regarded as the amount needed to give a worker in London enough to provide their family with the essentials of life, including a cushion against unforeseen events. Unlike the compulsory national minimum wage, paying the London Living Wage is a voluntary commitment made by employers.

The Mayor wants the London Living Wage to become the norm for employers in the city by 2020, to help hard working Londoners trying to make ends meet in an expensive city. We have today posted up a new discussion on the London Living Wage, which you might like to get involved with. 

Wendy
Talk London Community Manager 

johncruddas

Where the minimum wage was imposed in the usa ,many buisnesses had to close ,so although it may seem a good idea it will eventually lead to lots of job losses

tallsam

Thats a made up fact. Unless you can supply some source to backup this claim?

For a start there is no one date that they introduced a minimum wage. It happened state by state often with many years in between each one introducing it. Plus even now its not uniform.

Completely baseless allegation.

johncruddas

Not a made up fact ,prove its wrong ,its a FACT companies closed due to the 15$ minimum wage or at best cut back on staff

tallsam

Not sure if you understand how this works. You make an outlandish claim then you have to provide some evidence. Until you do its just some random claim you plucked out of thin air.

livehere

From July 2016, the nationwide USA federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour, but employers must pay the highest minimum wage so if the state they are in has a higher minimum wage that is what the employer must pay. It is different for workers who get tips. Some CITIES will be increasing their minimum wage gradually to as much as $15, eg San Francisco by 2018. Most states seem to have it at under $10 per hour, but half a dozen are aiming to increase it to about $10 per hour.

livehere

If a business cannot afford to pay a wage that people can live on, it is not a viable business, and that is an end to it.

livehere

If a business cannot afford to pay a wage that people can live on, it is not a viable business, and that is an end to it.

livehere

I think your rent is too high - this is a major problem in London.

AlisonPrice

Is it £595 per week or per month? My rent is £800 per month and I live in ONE ROOM. We can't get rents down unless we cut back on immigration. Sorry that's not politically correct, but it's the truth: housing costs are driven by supply and demand.

livehere

The evidence is that when it comes to social housing, only about 9% of it goes to immigrants. The effect of immigration on the private rented sector is greater, in some areas it brings prices down a bit. On the whole, new immigrants live in higher densities in private rented accommodation, i.e. using fewer properties than equivalent sized non-immigrant families do. But about two thirds of housing demand is caused by the failure to build social housing, by the increasing age of the population, and by the smaller size of households, more divorces and separations, more families thus occupying two properties. Rises in immigration do not cause most housing demand. There is also the problem that any rise in house building currently requires an immigrant workforce, as there are not enough indigenous people with the required skills available. For which blame the construction industry AND successive governments for failing to provide proper skills training.

AlisonPrice

Please explain how immigration REDUCES rents?

johncruddas

It doesnt,quite the opposite it creates housing shortages and higher rents ,but our glorious mayor says london is opennto all immigrants

livehere

The immigrants, or any group different to the locals, start moving in. The locals do not like it; others indigenous to the wider area do not like it. The houses and flats where the different people are neighbours become less popular, so prices drop. More immigrants or different British move in, more of the longer-term locals move out and so-on.

johncruddas

9%,why are immigrants getting any %,social housing is for british people in need ,should be allocated to people off the list not any tom dick or mohamad who illegally crosses two continents to get here ,ITS ALL WRONG AND MUST BE STOPPED

livehere

I don't remember whether it was a Tory or a Labour government that decided, because they were not building more social housing, that it had to be allocated on a priority needs basis, so only the homeless, really. It is the failure to build more social housing that has generated this situation.

AlisonPrice

Yes, social housing should be for people with NOWHERE ELSE TO GO, not people who have CHOSEN to leave home and made a LIFESTYLE CHOICE to come to the UK. Social housing should go to those of OUR OWN PEOPLE who are currently sleeping in tents and in doorways. At the moment, councils send OUR OWN PEOPLE to sleep on the street because they did the RIGHT thing by not making babies.

aimee

There should be a cap on rent per month for a room /flat and i think landlords need to be held liable for extortion.

AlisonPrice

Yes but some have mortgages that cost almost the same as the rent.
I suppose that would lead landlords to sell, which would be good for people who can afford to buy. Meanwhile, their evicted tenants would be on the street.

Tonnerre

Je suis désolé pour vous mais que faire ? Ça ne fait rien de sens qu’on doit payer la moitié de la revenue nette comme loyer. Mais avec les prix d’immobilier si élevés ce n’est pas une surprise que le loyer est aussi élevé. Des politiciens ont proposé un règlement de loyer à Londres mais ce sont des petites-phases pour attirer des votes pendant une élection. Aucun des défenseurs ont proposé des solutions pour faire appliquer cette politique.
Le problème de logement va devenir de plus en plus mal à Londres. La prévision est que la population de Londres va augmenter d’au moins trois millions d’ici 2020. Ça veut dire il y aura presque 10 millions habitants à Londres en 2020. Pour ces trois millions nouveau habitants, il faut 800,000 de logements. Mais d’ici à 2020, on prévoit il n’y a plus de 200,000 nouveau logements à Londres.
La seule solution est d’exporter les emplois à d’autres villes au Royaume Uni. La concentration des emplois dans une ville n’est pas une bonne signe. Il engendre souvent une élévation irréelle de loyer et aussi le coût de vie en général. Si les emplois sont partagés dans d’autres villes, en particulier des villes actuellement défavorisées, ça pourrait amener à une société plus équilibrée dans le sens de développement.

tallsam

True, unfortunately only the BBC and gov departments are exporting jobs. Private companies may need an incentive to do so.

AlisonPrice

We have the right to stay in London because we have been here all our lives. You have no right to tell us, in French, to go somewhere else. Especially when you don't even have the courtesy to comment in our language!

livehere

Tonnerre is proposing more, and more effective, regional development in the UK, so that people can have decent jobs, good careers, access to varied and lively culture and entertainment in their own home areas, instead of having to go to London for all these. And so that there is more choice of where to live and work. This would bring down London property prices as well, though after a while they might go up in other regions of course. And much of our language is derived from French, on account of those pesky Normans.

johncruddas

Quite right too

tallsam

If you typed that in French it'd have more of an impact. :)

livehere

Don't trust google translate to translate accurately, and am crap at languages.

Tamsin c

He did not promised to scrap council tax. How would our public services operate without it? It is the Tory government that is choosing to inflict austerity on us that is the problem. Until this Tory government goes this country will continue to go down hill. Labour will build social housing and protect the post and most vulnerable

AlisonPrice

Credit where credit is due, I have seen A LOT of new housing being built. However, I think the Mayor needs to make some rules about who gets to live in it.
The problem with building affordable housing is that land is expensive and someone's got to pay for it.

johncruddas

Yes new housing should only go to people on the housing list not to immigrants

johncruddas

Party political broadcast ,labour had twelvevyears and did nothing for us except fill the place with immigrants ,councilntax went up 20% in one year alone ,that was the labour govt and councils did that ,never again thanx

tallsam

Which borough are you in that put council tax up 20% in one year? Seems implausible.

Furthermore despite an initial downturn total immigration has never been as high (in history) as it was under the LibCon government (2015 being the most recent year figures are available for)

johncruddas

London boro of waltham.forest ,last year labour were in govt council tax went up 20%,council said it was because govt had cut the grant ,wrote to gordon brown who said there had been NO cut in grant and it was the labour councils we had a petition and marched on the town hall,all to no avail ,but we di dc get a zero increase for two years after all a matter of publicvrecord

livehere

But the same story under Tory governments. No difference between the two in this respect.

shjo

I think you should consider moving out of London if you can't afford to work and live here. This may sound harsh, but it's reality. Sorry. We just have to make do with what we have.

livehere

No. People should not have to leave the place in which they were born and raised. The point of goverment, apart from defence of the realm, is to ensure reasonable standards of living, jobs and careers, education, health services, etc, and housing availability, are fairly distributed across the country. And not everyone can leave London - the jobs not being available in other parts of the country, especially for specialised people. London councils are forcibly removing people to other parts of the country - regardless of whether or not they lose their job as a result, not caring about family care and support networks, about childrens education being disrupted. This is wrong.

johncruddas

The mayor wont keep that promise he lied about many things just to get in power ,we need a truly independent mayor who actually cares about londoners and not his career ,do we actually need a mayor ,im afraid council tax will only go up to meet the cost of housing calais immigrants and their benefits ,we ordinary londoners are beingvripped off for the mayors political agenda

tallsam

He won't keep that promise as he never made it in the first place. Its pure fantasy.

What else did he lie about out of interest?

And yes we do need a mayor.

johncruddas

We dont need amayor ,managed better without one ,lied about gettingvrid of the poll tax for a start ,police numbrrs,controlling uber etc rtc

tallsam

Showing your age there. Poll tax hasn't existed since 1993. As for council tax he never made any claims.

Zac claimed he'd freeze it. Sadiq said it wasn't possible but promised to keep any increases as low as possible:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/sadiq-khan-i-cannot-match-zacs-pled...

See, providing evidence, if you can provide any to counter it I'd be interested.

AlisonPrice

It makes me very angry to see our own benefits and public services cut back while:
1) Our government gives out £billions to other countries whose citizens have never paid into our tax system. I don't mean giving aid to a charity to run a refugee camp, I mean handing over a LUMP SUM to a government overseas.
2) Our government pays benefits like Child Benefit to people ALL OVER THE EU whose citizens have never paid into our tax system and whose cost of living is MUCH LOWER than ours.
Our councils are turning away OUR OWN people to sleep on the street while border-jumpers from all over the world are getting free housing courtesy of the Home Office. Of course there are people fleeing war and persecution, but I find it very hard to believe that they are all unable to find safety anywhere in the whole world before they reach the UK.
New arrivals from the EU get council housing AHEAD of people from our own country because they have more children than us or someone in their family has a disability or they spent three days sleeping on the street or any other technicality that puts them ahead of our own people. If we want to put our own citizens first, the EU tries to sue us for "discrimination".
When local councils pledge to offer housing to newly-arrived refugees, it makes me wonder would I get any help if I was homeless myself? Probably not. So why are we offering to house people from all over the world when we cannot even house our own people?
Labour politicians keep asking for the government to take in more and more refugees, but WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO HOUSE THEM? In a balloon???

johncruddas

GREAT POST AGREE 100%,well said

livehere

Perhaps they could house them in all those streets of empty council housing in some cities up north, perhaps?

johncruddas

They are talking now ofcraising council tax to cover the cost of settling immigrants ,firstly this must be the only country in the world where immigrants get benefits ,THIS MUST STOP,and why are we the rate payers being asked to bear the cost of this ,we dont want them here this borough is full ,waltham forest ,in fact theres already a massive shortage of social and private housing ,so why are we taking them in and our so called mayor says london is an open city ,i will not pay any increase in council tax ,do what they like,you cant get blood out of a stone

AlisonPrice

I agree we cannot function as a machine for the rest of the world. WE face cuts, yet the government can afford war in the Middle East, Trident, EU membership, lump sums to foreign governments... It is WRONG. If Waltham Forest raises Council Tax to pay for letting more people in, that is TOTALLY UNFAIR.

AlisonPrice

I meant to say we cannot function as a CASH machine for the rest of the world.

Judging from the numbers flocking here, I'd say we're offering very good benefits to immigrants.

livehere

It was the Tory government that stopped the funding for local councils to use for housing and services and schools etc for immigrants. This is why councils are looking at raising council tax to provide for these needs.

Why not lobby your MPs about it?

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